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Upcoming OVAs
It's been mentioned before of doing a page for upcoming ovas. Thoughts? --Koroku 06:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Would be nice. Then we have somewhere to dump all the accidental OVA entries. --Kanna 19:02, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
- Do we do like yearly pages, or what? Or just have a running list and we move old ones to an archive page every now and then? --Koroku 15:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
- My idea would be to add an OVA table under the TV table per season (we could start with Winter 2009 while it's open) and change the "First Air Date/Time & Network" column to "Release Date" or something similar for the OVA table. We would then have to two template intros, examples being: Template:TVIntro and Template:OVAIntro. I'd also like an asterisk or some indicator of dual DVD/Blu-ray release. Non-hentai OVAs only I hope :p. Any other ideas? --Slay 20:43, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Test Page - comments? If people like, I'll do the templates. --Koroku 06:09, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me :). --Slay 16:48, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
- Okay. Did 'em up. Test Page has how the page should be laid out, and examples of each of the aired/released/licensed templates. Google Animation is gonna be busy this spring...
Attempted to do the Winter 2009 ones. Most of them aren't correct links, and I grabbed the majority of the list/dates from Chartfag's stuff. Also added SubbedTV because there's web/tv airings of these that got subbed, like Legend of Koizumi... delete it if you don't like. @_@ --Koroku 04:29, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
- Looks good to me, we'll get the proper info in there soon enough :). --Slay 05:50, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
Older Seasons
Who_Subs_What:_FALL_2009 needs to be added to it. --Koroku 18:45, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Threading
Threading is broken. Will fix soon (tm). --Kanna 03:34, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
- Sorry about that. Was trying to find out why it borked when I tried to post a discussion, and I borked it even more! I rock like that. --Koroku 03:35, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
OP/ED Subbing
Does subbing the preview version of episode one (episode one without OP/ED) still count as subbing the first episode?
- Considering that there are some groups out there that don't do OP/ED anyways, I don't see why not. --Koroku 03:07, 31 December 2009 (UTC)
Licensor Template
Added licensor template to mimic the format used in the early seasons of the FansubWiki. Color is up for debate, just chose one that seemed to fit the "do not fansub" forgotten mentality. ;p
Usage is like all the other ones... just use "Licensed" (Licensed by FansubWiki) - also updated my New Template Guide
--Koroku 05:31, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
- I like this idea but if we use this method to list licensing companies then we can longer tag them as having released subs, (Licensed by Crunchyroll) looks silly and confusing. I don't have an opinion either way as long as we don't mix the colors like that.
- --Slay 00:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Does it really matter? Most of the time when something is licensed, it is either simulcasted (or 4-day casted) or we have to wait months for subs. The wiki gets locked after the season is all aired, so most of the time stuff that gets licensed doesn't get a "subbed" tag until later on. (Not to mention I always think it's weird & misleading) --Koroku 17:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- It was bugging me... haha. Added Template:LicensedSubbed
Expanding templates
I'd like to suggest a Template:Previous and Template:PreviousDropped for when groups do the first/previous season of a show. For instance, this season we have the second season of Asura Cryin'. AnimeYoshi and Chihiro both did (or in Yoshi's instance, are working on) the first season. Chihiro finished and plans on doing the second one, which AnimeYoshi has no intention of it.
The idea would be to let users see which groups did the first season and have / do not have intention of doing the second. We're pimping out the wiki enough to be as useful as we can for the idiot leechers that make up the majority of fansub watching, and I think this would be a good addition.
I might suggest blue, so we'd have
| First Air Date/Time & Network | Show Title | Animation Studio(s) | Episodes | Groups Subbed/Planned |
| 10/01 09:30 AT-X | Asura Cryin' 2 | Seven Arcs | 13 | AllOfThem, Chihiro, AnimeYoshi |
(I have no idea if AllOfThem did S1)
Of course, once they sub an episode of the second season, they'd turn green.
On a related fashion, what do we do when someone subs an pre-tv-anime OVA of a series? The one that comes to mind now is Letter Bee, with SFW having done the Jump Special. I marked it as a promo but I'm not sure if that really qualifies. My suggested blue color could come in handy in this instance as well.
Another instance is when we have the episodic listings, like we did for Candy Boy and are now doing for Ontama! and Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari. Mark a group blue if they've done the previous episodes, and strike 'em out if they drop half-way (like TweakAnime & DATS did with Candy Boy)
Gimme your thoughts... --Koroku 05:06, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I'm against this completely, there's no need to "pimp" out the wiki for anyone. If leechers need to know who subbed the previous season(s) of a title then they can check the older seasons section (only works for unlicensed titles for this site) or use sites that are actually known for that type of info, like AniDB or AnimeSuki. This method will only make the Groups Subbed/Planned column longer and more redundant. Also, groups are under no obligation to fansub subsequent seasons of anything they sub. :)
The current system on episodic listings is fine as it is in my opinion, each episode is treated like a different show and has groups added only if they've done that specific episode. I think it would be redundant to put a dropped group on every single episode, especially if the show's episode airings span multiple season like Candy Boy or the current Isekai no Seikishi Monogatari.
And about the pre-TV OVA episode of a series, it's a really weird but not that rare situation. The Letter Bee Jump Special was streamed a year ago and has a different staff from the upcoming TV series so it's even weirder (I originally was going to remove the promo tag but didn't because of the situation). I think we should judge should these on a case-by-case basis. Spice and Wolf II for example had an episode 0 DVD released before its TV airing but we never marked Frostii with the promo tag like we should have.
--Slay 00:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Okay. Was just an idea. :) And I really dunno about the use of the Promo tag in pre-TV OVAs. I thought of doing it for Frostii, but never got around to it... especially if someone does a OVA but not the series.
- (I'd actually like to have a section for DVD-only OVAs, but I doubt that'll ever happen) --Koroku 17:12, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- It's not something I've actually thought of but I do like the idea of adding normal/non-TV OVAs. It could just be its own separate table under TV. I think it's possible if we get approval from Kanna or bastard-sama. --Slay 02:26, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
New format trial
Fall will be used as the trial page for the new changes proposed by Esper17. A new template called "Testnewunaired" will be used for the time being. If the trial is successful then I will update all the regular templates.
--Kanna 15:40, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
that was freaking fast!
thanks. hope this trial goes well.
I'll start by trying to add links to the Anime Studios.
for those, you have just visited. please check this.
--Esper17 17:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
- I've put some of my thoughts regarding the new format in the Summer 2009 discussion page, please consider them - Chartfag 21:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
Anime titles in the wiki
Symbols in anime names & numbering system
I was wondering if had or wanted to decide on some guidelines for when to use symbols in anime titles. I try to keep them but I'm not sure if they show-up correctly on all computers or whether we think they're needed. An example being the title for Shin Koihime Musou currently retains the cross in show's title. Another was that the new Mahoromatic OVA has a diamond in the title that I retained but was removed. For the sake of consistency, should we include symbols like stars, diamonds, crosses, etc or not? Also, if Moon Phase lists a title in all capital letters should we retain that as well?
Also, what numbering system do we want to use for series' episodes that are not airing in a sequential order? There seems to be a discrepancy between my edits and Slay's. I had thought that each individual entry should be numbered according to the episodes for that entry. So with Hidamari Sketch special Part 1 would be listed as 1 episode and Part 2 entry would be listed as one episode as opposed to both entries being labeled as having two episodes. I would think the best way would be to say (episode #) of (total episode #) --Sweet-Tooth 10:28, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I think the guideline for symbols should be to remove them, I don't believe we need to have 100% perfect show title replication. I never removed the Shin Koihime cross because I had always mistakenly overlooked it (lol). The symbols display for me on Moon Phase but not here on the wiki (they do display however when I edit/add text), it probably varies from user to user (different browsers, etc). I think all caps should also be ignored but would rather read others' opinions on that.
I believe the episode number discrepancy arose because of how we each interpret the episodes column. I view the episodes column as the total episodes column; so for example, when I put 2 in the episodes column for both Hidamari Sketch x365 episodes I meant it as the special as a series is made up of two episodes (just like, say Kobato is 24 episodes total or how I listed Aika Zero as 3 episodes in Summer 2009). I think you put 1 in the episodes column for each HSx365 episode because each episode has its own line/entry making it that the 1 referred only to that show entry. I don't think either one of us is wrong because each way does make sense and because there isn't a set guideline on how to use the episodes column or how to treat specials.
I think your (episode #) of (total episode #) method solves this but another way we could consider would be to combine both episodes onto one line, like for Hidamari we use one entry and change the date to 10/17+10/24 24:30 or 10/17 & 10/24 24:30, or 10/17 24:30 + 10/24 24:30 (with or without spaces, etc). This method would make the list shorter/cleaner. I'd also like to read other users' opinions on this, too (the current labeling you introduced should kept).--Slay 19:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't mind one way or another, just that whichever is decided is best for consistency. For instance, Fairy Tale is in caps and has been edited at times to remove them, and if so we should do the same for Darker than Black as well. I can understand not keeping symbols if they don't show up and end up making the wiki look ugly for some users. They show for me on both sites but I have Japanese language enabled. Either way, I'm not sure if it's up to Kanna or Bastard-sama, but I'd like to hear what they want done too. --Sweet-Tooth
If you can compress it and make it look good then do that. other than that it looks fine as is --bastard-sama
The problem with Slay's formatting idea of double dates is the potential for it to make the box huge. What if there were three episodes or more? We'd up with a whole list of dates stretching the box. What if there were two dates and two different times? We also grey out entries as they air, would we only grey out part of the box when the first episode airs and then go back and grey out the rest when the second one airs? While combining it to one entry is nice, I think it'd only work if the episode number was small, times were the same, etc. I'd still like some input on a standard for symbols as well. --Sweet-Tooth
Macrons and title romanization
As of the current fall season we still leave symbols and all caps for titles since a clear consensus couldn't be formed from the above (not saying that's a good or bad thing). Instead though, when it comes to show titles should use macrons for romanized titles? I suggest this from a simplification standpoint, not from an academic standpoint based on proper Japanese romanization. I've been wondering about this ever since Miracle Train was added to Fall 2009. Fuzaco first added it as Miracle Train ~Ōedo-sen e Yōkoso~ while Sweet-Tooth later changed it to Ouedo-sen e Youkoso (where it is currently). Precedent says that Sweet-Tooth is correct but Fuzaco isn't wrong either though. Personally I'd rather see Kūchū Buranko over Kuuchuu Buranko or Darker Than Black: Ryūsei no Gemini over Ryuusei no Gemini. I'd like further feedback on this.
--Slay 00:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- I prefer not using Macrons, but that's my personal feeling. --Koroku 17:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
Upcoming shows with unknown broadcaster: Winter 2009 and beyond
Ever since the addition of animation studios and splitting air dates from initial broadcast networks onto separate lines each show in the wiki now has two lines. Upcoming shows that don't have a broadcaster are then displayed only on one line and if they're scattered in between shows with broadcasters the wiki formatting looks odd. Katanagatari in Winter 2009 looks like this and Fall 2009 looked like this for a long time too before we had all the networks. We use --/-- --:-- as placeholders for date/time so I suggest we also have one for the broadcast field so every show entry can have two lines and make the wiki look "normal". I suggest using To Be Announced but other choices could be, with or without italics, TBA (would be confusing I think since it looks like a network like TBS, MBS, NTV, etc), N/A, or just a simple --. I've edited Winter 2009 as an exmaple, I'd also like feedback on this.
--Slay 00:51, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
- Looks fine to me! Makes sense. --Koroku 17:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
